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. that was in bad faith. i think that there is opportunity for monetary sanctions. we must implement the recommendations with the police force with respect to on site cameras. this does better represent the community. i don't see that these special restrictions will be a material detriment to the permit holder. with that, i would uphold the permit.
>> can i make a motion with any special restrictions? >> that would require four votes and it would be putting conditions on the permit. >> if she makes a motion, she needs one other vote. >> if she makes a motion and it on the goners two votes, currently they cannot take any action and therefore the underlying department all action as that held as a permit of law. to affirm, you would need three votes. >> process is a good thing. i would move to uphold the permit but with the special
restrictions. those are the recommendations made by the police force that are in the papers of the permit holder. >> you would need to be more specific. >> let me make the general vote. i make a motion to uphold a permit. >> that motion would be to deny the appeal and a pulled a permit. on that motion, -- >> no, >> aye. >> no. >> no.
>> the motion fails. >> the permit is upheld by application of law unless there is a subsequent motion. >> i would like to make a subsequent motion. dihaving read what the recommendations were earlier, this was contained in briefs that we received that we incorporate those recommendations by the police department has a notice of special restriction. >> i am inclined to support conditions but i am having trouble remembering >> i can tell you what it had to do with. it had to do with preventing people from congregate in front.
i think it had to do with security personnel. i think it went beyond that. in no way where i represent to you that these were not all things that represent the neighborhood in every way. to place those restrictions is to benefit to them, having not benefited them, they think on this vote. >> i might be able to sign the document in the file but i don't know if anyone has a way of narrowing it down to where it might be. >> can we do this pending findings? >> i don't know if you are inclined to do this. you can do this to adopt written findings that staff could prepare and the new rating is. >> it is possible that mr. sanchez -- >> i believe there are conditions in the appeal brief
that was received on september 23rd, 2010, they are from the permit holder, they are not on the tenderloin police station letterhead. >> this is a protected and monitored security system. keeping it streets trimmed to maintain visibility. this is fully provided by a contract security firm. maintaining control cash on site. the secured for all substances on site. no loitering. the mta has r timed
and metered parking space in front of the primacy. -- in front of the pharmacy. >> what the new meters would do would not be affected by that? >> those are the ones that i would choose to have incorporated. >> do you have those? >> i am not enough. that gives us only three votes. we should probably hear from the commissioners. >> i will accept the conditions.
>> do you want all conditions including the parking? >> i would. if this is feasible. if it does not take away a parking place the. >> i'm not concerned about the parking. why not just ask the captain to provide you with a lift -- a list. for >> in which case, i would vote on it. >> there are things that are not there in that brief. that would require that we have
the green zone is a drop off. >> we do know how to write that up? >> that would be in mta issue. another issue would be the yellowstone. how they would make deliveries. >> we are trying to suggest security issues. >> how does the green zone and improved security in that area? >> the mta must put that in there. >> we have recommended these to the owner. that is what i addressed to the
complaint. >> you have the yellowstone, how they will do deliveries. this is a two-lane street. >> i guess we will have to ask the planning why that was not in the original permit and i am not sure how we would deal with it. >> we can just wipe it out. >> thank you. >> there is no requirement of the planning code for a large and so on. if the board would like to adopt some finding, that would be that they seek that sense this is a separate permit process and they're not able to obtain that. they would be in violation of condition of approval.
they would try to see can justify this. i don't know if it is feasible. any discrepancy and difference in the permit fees is based upon the review which would be $2,000. if that can be addressed and a special permit issued to the board's decision which would also address the conditions the board would adopt. we don't know if that would be a difference in the cost valuation. if not, they would need to file a separate evaluation. >> would that have to do with the reconciliation of what appears to be an incorrect figure with the original figure? to estimate or to present planning with an actual cost for so as to correct any discrepancy
that may exist between what was put on the permit and what actually happened. as to your recommendation with parking, would you think it would be reasonable to simply states that rather than mandated, they would confer with the mta to make sure that they are compliance for the issues that have to deal with a drop off or handicapped parking. >> that would be acceptable. i would not want this to be a strict condition. >> my inclination on the parking is not to bother with that here. that is their problem. this is not up to our board to
make it convenient for people to access their facility. >> part of the logic for it is and you questioned the degree to which this would be placing an added burden on the police department. the police department has requested that we have addressed the parking issue because to not do it might be an extra burden and i think it is reasonable. this would address their concern, the police department's concern. >> double parking, etc.. that is a concern everywhere. that is not unique to this type of business. i would be inclined not to address the parking.
>> do you have a motion? >> this would be to adopt everything that has been discussed with the exception of the talking issues. i am sure that the mta has some way of enforcing what should be done. all other issues, do i need to review those issues? >> if you can specify that they are on page 3 of the permit holders response brief submitted to the board on september 23rd, 2010. >> with the issue having to do with reconciliation having to do with the figures on the permit and the actual cost >> was your motion to resolve that as a condition of their release of the suspension of the permit? >> yes.
>> would this be an accurate amount? >> the motion as earlier stated was to prove that the permit holder would have to prevent dbi and planning with actual costs. >> with that, there is a consequence. i just want to get consequence with the record. there would be a corresponding increase in the feet that should have been made to the city. >> i think it that would be up to the permitting parliament to assess. >> i don't think they could issue a fine in that regard. >> i just want to make sure that is the natural consequence.
if i can hit mr. duffy to confirm that with me. i would be more inclined to vote for this. >> there is actually no penalty for that apart from paying the additional fees, which would be issued. this makes them get another permit to pay the additional fees. there is no penalty. the penalty is what the fees are. >> the differential. >> an alternative would be to get it amended or to get a new parliament that is proper. -- permits that is proper. >> this would be $62,000 according to what they have and what we have. >> that is fine. got it. thanks. >> do you believe that that
process could be handled through special conditions permit instead of a separate new permit? >> i would like to think so, yes. in getting an estimate on those fees and adding that to the cost of the special conditions permit, i could work that out with the central permit a bureau. that would be fine. >> thank you. >> is this on the permit requiring these conditions and you want a notice a special restrictions to be filed? >> personally, i would like a -- >> doesn't that give it a greater force? >> yes, that was my word. >> the motion is to grant the appeal and uphold the permit on the condition that the list of security measures contained in the brief as previously noted
are recorded a special conditions on the property and that they present this in planning. >> i believe that this is all of the requirements and the bullet points on page 3 except the last one regarding parking. >> ok. >> on the motion -- >> aye. >> aye. >> aye. >> that motion carries. thank-you. >> we will take a break
>> we will resume the meeting for april 10th, this is item number seven. this is 50 beale street versus the planning commission. this is protesting the adoption of findings related to approval of a determination of compliance under planning code 309. the project is to demolish a four story building and construct a 24 story building with 340,000 square feet of office use, 1000 square feet of retail space, 23,000 firefighters were feet of subterranean parking. we will start with the appellants.
>> i am the legal counsel for the appellant. this is the office building located immediately adjacent to 350 mission. i will try to be as brief as possible. what our appeal is has to do with the planning code exception that was granted to the project. this gets to encroach a significantly into our required 15 foot setback on the property. instead of being 15 feet from the property line, the project proposes to have a 21 story mechanical element that will run the majority of the length of the project.
this project is 375 feet. above 300 feet, the planning code mandates that you step the buildings back. the building as proposes not stepped back at all. this is a monolithic wall that goes up. our point is pretty simple. if you look at this property, this is under 19,000 square feet. this is not very big, this is not very big for a project that will be 340,000 square feet. they are right at 18 to one. they are seeking to squeeze every square inch possible out of this property. this is caused bigger than any larger in the downtown area. if you look at the submission for council for the project owner and developer, they say
and a couple of different spots, they a admit that this is a smaller than average property. this is a property where they confess they are pushing the bounds economically of what they think they can accomplish. this indicates basically what percentage of the building you have to dedicate to the square footage that cannot be rented. all of the mechanical elements, those kind of things. they have run the numbers and they cannot make it work. this property is not big enough. their solution is, we will stick our entire mechanical portion of the building in this big mechanical element that juts out seven and a half feet and goes for 21 stories. our position has been not trying
to stop a building there. this would be positive for the area to redevelop. there is an underutilized building. we are perfectly happy with a building going in next door. we think the planning code is therefore a reason. we think that the setbacks are therefore a reason. if you are going to grant an exception. this is not a ministerial act. this is not by right. this is a discretionary process. there has to be a reason why this is an animating force behind why a property owner needs the exception and then you can analyze whether or not that is proper. what the developer has offered is that they said that we need this for a -- system.
you can design this without the encroachment and still maintain a certification and the objectives of the project development. well, the project developers come back and in their submission, the only reason why they gave, this is referenced as a building designed. the only reason they have given why they does not work is that the current plans approved to not contain a dedicated -- which is required. well, putting aside the fact that the building is not conform to the planning code, that is not a reason.
i would submit that this board has the authority to continue this matter so we can spend a little bit more time analyzing whether this is truly necessary. we're not trying to stop this project. this will raise property values. >> that there is this a giant mechanical protrusion into the set back. they have not properly substantiated that they need the mechanical elements and they
have not given a proper reason why this exception should be granted. that is a discretionary action. when you have evidence that this is not necessary. we think it is improper to grant the exemption. if this ends up in court, the schedule would have to present substantial evidence to support the granting of this exception. we submit there is not substantial evidence and the record to support this. we can suggest to take more time whether it is or isn't.
>> good evening. i am working with the project sponsor. >> this will be the first private platinum office building in san francisco. it bears mentioning that i have been working on this project for five years. those five years have included one direct meeting where they were shown the plans and they have included a key public outreach meetings. they included a planning commission hearing on the ceqa
and where we got approval. the first time that we heard objections was two days before the planning commission. they are entitled, that is the way things work in this city and we respect the fact that they have the right to object. it would have been easier for us to deal with those objections. >> the plans were available to everyone and they did not raise them. sometime after the unanimous approval of the board of supervisors which was last week, and actually it was just before that between the planning commission hearing and the appeal, we were given some schemes where they had hired architects and engineered it is always a risky business to drop a plan.
>> this is limited in size. this is not the entire width of the building. what this does is allow us to bring air into each floor independently. we place this on the back of the building. this is in our documents as well. that is the current condition. this is the building that will be demolished, that is the deal. there is almost no room between those two buildings. >> can you tell me what this exhibit is.